Do Girls lead themselves?

i add another post to this thread to reiterate a point .. u cant deny , men are from mars etcetc , so I think the instructions for guys needs to be different in principle to the ones to girls , ie they should be taught how to lead and the girls how to follow.. this should ideally be level 1 , taugh separately . Then in level 2 the combos should be refined. I would like it if there were female instructors or experienced girls coming to our centre so that they could guide our leads.. Sangeeta did make one appearance at our class, but all she said was . u r wrong

samird wrote: I would like it if there were female instructors or experienced girls coming to our centre so that they could guide our leads.. Sangeeta did make one appearance at our class, but all she said was . u r wrong

Hey Samir...
I'm hardly an experienced dancer...I have a LONG way to go...so i couldn't tell you much as I myself am learning

I think it is nervousness, girls are so intent on remembering what to do next they just do the steps like automatons, they dont mean to lead or anything consciously. Like Jigar always tells me, just relax in your head, the moves will come.

There is another reason why I would lead at times....
A lot of guys just dont get their timing right...their 1 starts on 2...sometimes even 3.... sometimes they take too long to complete the last bar, therefore the current bar (and therefore the subsequent ones) would be totally lost
so to avoid screwing up the rest of the time I'd be dancing with the person, its easier to just make the move myself to save the day...

Yes it is veryyyyy confusing to dance when the timing gets messed up...coz you don't know whether you should stick to the timing (which causes you to lead yourself) or you should follow the lead (which becomes hard if you are concentrating on the beat of the music).
I don't think there is any solution to this...except that we just HAVE to learn to dance on time.

another solution is '''practis e together!!!!!

most girls at the quickstep lead themselves..

well practice makes perfect, more practice makes more perfect!

Ya for sure girls lead themself at Quickstep, and its not always about practise. We girls r always in hurry and then when we r at the classes we want to learn our moves and then rush out...thats a very bad thing what we r doing. we have removed time to come for classes but are not having patients to take a chill pill and go slow. and also one thing runs in our mind that we have to keeping shifting, from one partner to another. so we try to hurry up, if not with others I sometimes do that

We have to bring in loads of patients when we r in classroom or when we r dancing with the partner and thats wherein we wornt take that extra step without being lead.

Kai

kainath wrote:Ya for sure girls lead themself at Quickstep, and its not always about practise. We girls r always in hurry and then when we r at the classes we want to learn our moves and then rush out...thats a very bad thing what we r doing. we have removed time to come for classes but are not having patients to take a chill pill and go slow. and also one thing runs in our mind that we have to keeping shifting, from one partner to another. so we try to hurry up, if not with others I sometimes do that
We have to bring in loads of patients when we r in classroom or when we r dancing with the partner and thats wherein we wornt take that extra step without being lead.

Kai

and also one thing runs in our mind that we have to keeping shifting, from one partner to another. so we try to hurry up, if not with others I sometimes do that----
YOU ARE LITERALLY RUNNING A CAMPAIGN -
YOU DO NOT GIVE UP DO YOU ?

Well Kainath one thing I know about You already... ie You are hard nut to Crack...

E.S.Mahesh wrote:

kainath wrote:Ya for sure girls lead themself at Quickstep, and its not always about practise. We girls r always in hurry and then when we r at the classes we want to learn our moves and then rush out...thats a very bad thing what we r doing. we have removed time to come for classes but are not having patients to take a chill pill and go slow. and also one thing runs in our mind that we have to keeping shifting, from one partner to another. so we try to hurry up, if not with others I sometimes do that
We have to bring in loads of patients when we r in classroom or when we r dancing with the partner and thats wherein we wornt take that extra step without being lead.

Kai

and also one thing runs in our mind that we have to keeping shifting, from one partner to another. so we try to hurry up, if not with others I sometimes do that----
YOU ARE LITERALLY RUNNING A CAMPAIGN -
YOU DO NOT GIVE UP DO YOU ?




Well Kainath one thing I know about You already... ie You are hard nut to Crack...

I am a FIGHTER and for What Reason r u tellin me "YOU DO NOT GIVE UP DO YOU?

Well am not a nut that has to crack okkokokok MR. E.S MAHESHGGGGGGGGGGG Namaste

In class - YES. Girls lead themselves

Might be cos we are being taught at the same time and the girls know what exactly we are doing....

i do tend to lead maself at times...i used to do that often but these days i can actually follow so its only at times that i lead !! still learning

What matters always i think is the visual effect of flow and elan. The grace the two bring together. the classical school and purists insist that the men lead and girls follow - for natural reasons being a man wont contest that

This may be a problem in class because you are learning one particular combination.....that is WHY you should attend salsa nights at RIO lounge on Sundays....coz in a club, the girl has no choice but to follow the lead as she doesn't know what the guy is going to lead her for next....i'm sure you will all agree with me.

i do

i agree too...will def try to attend a salsa night!!

Sangeeta -- U are a 10/10 on this!

Wow... sangs... 10/10. Great. I never ever got in my life......

And girls who ever is saying I agree, 10 / 10 etc etc , Hope to see u at the salsa night

I am guilty.....

lol

i have great fun in NOT following the standard format of the combo while leading towards the end of the class , just to see if the girl is just following by rote , or actually getting lead by the man.. the reactions are varied ... the good ones , like the BMW's (lol) enjoy .. some get confused and stop ... and some admonish me ... thinking that im a thicko ... and some follow perfectly , but have a quizzical look on their face ..
But id say a majority do tend to be on 'auto pilot' and dont wait for the lead ... many not willing to wait for the 'slow' step (ie counts 4 and

I observed some girls.... (who r experienced salsa dancers) they just wait for the man to lead..... even when the know the step what we are doing. I think thats the correct way to react.
Earlier i used to wonder all of them are in level 3 or 2 but still why the hell they r so blank..... then i realised its my dumbness that is making them so blank.....

Several beginner guys have asked me if i'm always that 'still' or 'stiff'...well what is a girl to do if she is not getting any lead???? I have noticed that some guys just stand and wait for the girls to lead themselves...so it's not only the girls leading themselves that is the problem....it's the guys expecting the girls to lead themselves that is also the problem. So guys don't be lazy on the dance floor...put your groove on and move your hands and legs a little more

i dont think any body will wait for a girl to lead. They might have forgotten the step